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Old 10-27-2009, 08:39 AM   #1
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? Ford Techs; Ticking noise from top-end of 5.4

Truck is a 2001 F-150 with the 5.4.

It has developed a loud ticking noise from the top of the engine (sounds like a lifter). The noise is present only when the motor is first started cold at idle, then goes away after a few minutes as it warms up.

What's the most likely problem .. Cam phaser, hydraulic lash adjuster? How involved of a fix?

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Not that it helps, but my Silverado does the same thing and has for the past 30k miles..
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Truck is a 2001 F-150 with the 5.4.



It has developed a loud ticking noise from the top of the engine (sounds like a lifter). The noise is present only when the motor is first started cold at idle, then goes away after a few minutes as it warms up.



What's the most likely problem .. Cam phaser, hydraulic lash adjuster? How involved of a fix?



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PM lunchbox. I think his truck had this problem and I know he had the engine replaced.


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Not that it helps, but my Silverado does the same thing and has for the past 30k miles..
That's good ol' GM piston slap/lifter tick
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I have seen three different things make similar noises on those engines. Timing chains stretched,chain tensioners & lifters. You need to isolate the area it's coming from to have a better idea how involved will depend on what the problem is. The lifters aren't hard to replace once the valve covers are off and the chain & tensioners are easy once the front cover is off. The hardest part is removing the necessary parts to get to everything. How many miles are on the engine? And what oil filter are you using? There has ben some concerns with cheap filters coming apart blocking oil passages in the heads.
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:21 PM   #5
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I ran into that problem when I would use a cheap oil filter.Read that if the filter didn't have a anti-drain back valve that the engine would raise hell at idle when first started; so now all I run are Motorcraft filters (820S) on it and no problems.
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Yeah, Motorcraft or Wix filters, both have antidrainbacks..

I agree, chain tensioners, guides, or lifter.. most likely in the chains though. Supposed to be replaced at 100K miles..
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Spark plug about to blow out? Worth a check I guess.
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Watch for plug blowout for sure.
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Thx for the responses. Didn't know about the plug issue - checked, and the plugs are tight. The noise seems to be coming from the front top driver's side. No exhaust leaks, definitely not injector noise.

My filter has the adb valve.

It only makes the noise when it is below 50 degrees outside temp. The consensus over on f150.net is cam phaser/chain/lash adjuster.

Any good shop recommendations?

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i had a collapsed lifter on my 99 GT that made a bad ticking noise. seems like all 2 valve mod motors make random noises..i think most of the time its the valve train or timing stuff just wearing out.
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do u use 5 w20 oil and their is a oil supply in the upper camcaps at the rear of the heads that will get stopped up . see this all the time,i run a shop myself,its a problem .
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When I had a tick from the top of of a 4.6, it was a timing chain guide
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I had a similar tick in my 02 gt a long time ago. It ended up being a timing chain tensioner could not get enough pressure at idle to keep the guides tight. The noise would go away after a little throttle. Ended up having the chain, guides, and I think 2 tensioners replaced under extended warranty. That was $734 bucks to my warranty company minus my $100 deductible.

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My 2002 did something similiar to what you're saying. About 2 weeks later it blew a spark plug out on the drivers side. I think at one time there was a TSB about 2000 or 01' 5.4 engines doing this. Hope this helps. Shannon
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My truck does this, everything pointed to the cam phasers. I think it costs about $1k for a shop to fix it. Using the wrong oil/filter is what causes it (what ford dealership told me). I have a 04 f150 5.4.
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Yeah, Motorcraft or Wix filters, both have antidrainbacks..

I agree, chain tensioners, guides, or lifter.. most likely in the chains though. Supposed to be replaced at 100K miles..
just an fyi motorcraft is just a fancy purolator. Its actually a purolator to be exact. Just looks a little different.
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Sounds like a lash adjuster. (lifter in an older engine). This job can be done without removing very much from the engine. It my try your patience but a set of "lifters" and a few gaskets is less than 2 hundred dollars about anywhere except for a dealership. This is about a 4 hour job. I've done several 4.6 and 5.4 and all have been trying but rewarding$$$$$.
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just an fyi motorcraft is just a fancy purolator. Its actually a purolator to be exact. Just looks a little different.
Only the PureOnes.. but usually if you look around you can find the Motorcraft cheaper than a PureOne..

NAPA Gold is a Wix but costs more.. and Wix is easy to find now that O'Reilly's exploded all over the state

I would agree it's likely a lash adjuster, but could still be in the chains.

Also easily could be the chains or tensioners. It could be a secondary effect of stretched chains.. sometimes the tensioner moves past the last "stop" and has to pump up every startup to tension the chains, and other times they simply won't stay pumped up.

Just do the long screwdriver test, if you find the noise is just below the valve cover in the timing cover area, be ready to buy chains, guides, and tensioners. If it's in the valve covers, look at the lash adjusters, a bad one will be easy to spot.


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My truck does this, everything pointed to the cam phasers. I think it costs about $1k for a shop to fix it. Using the wrong oil/filter is what causes it (what ford dealership told me). I have a 04 f150 5.4.
01 5.4's don't have cam phasers. They came out in '04 with the 3V 5.4 for trucks and 05 3V 4.6 for Mustangs.. and they are a little noisy even when working properly.
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Good info guys!

Long screwdriver test - I'm assuming you mean screwdriver against block? I've been ready to put my stethoscope on it every morning this week, but with the weather being warm, the truck has not made the noise.

No cam phasers .... doh. I guess I can eliminate that

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Only the PureOnes.. but usually if you look around you can find the Motorcraft cheaper than a PureOne..

NAPA Gold is a Wix but costs more.. and Wix is easy to find now that O'Reilly's exploded all over the state

I would agree it's likely a lash adjuster, but could still be in the chains.

Also easily could be the chains or tensioners. It could be a secondary effect of stretched chains.. sometimes the tensioner moves past the last "stop" and has to pump up every startup to tension the chains, and other times they simply won't stay pumped up.

Just do the long screwdriver test, if you find the noise is just below the valve cover in the timing cover area, be ready to buy chains, guides, and tensioners. If it's in the valve covers, look at the lash adjusters, a bad one will be easy to spot.




01 5.4's don't have cam phasers. They came out in '04 with the 3V 5.4 for trucks and 05 3V 4.6 for Mustangs.. and they are a little noisy even when working properly.
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Yep I mean screwdriver against the block.. not everyone has a stethoscope (or at least one they're willing to smear around an engine lol)
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Truck is a 2001 F-150 with the 5.4.

It has developed a loud ticking noise from the top of the engine (sounds like a lifter). The noise is present only when the motor is first started cold at idle, then goes away after a few minutes as it warms up.

What's the most likely problem .. Cam phaser, hydraulic lash adjuster? How involved of a fix?

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