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Old 11-14-2012, 07:26 PM   #176
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:35 PM   #177
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These are the rules from fall civil wars when Jenny and qball went in the .30's. I don't think a single turbo car went in the twenties in those conditions.


BODY & GLASS:* Must have working headlights, tail lights, stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory style dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.*

Lexan windows permitted. Must be neat in appearance.*

Hood height limited to maximum 8" tall measured from the tallest part of the hood to base of the windshield. Forward facing scoops permitted.*

Fiberglass body panels permitted as long as it's neat in appearance and doesn't change the basic vehicle dimensions.*

Must measure within 1" of factory wheelbase, body may not be moved from stock location* All vehicles must maintain a minimum ride height of at least 2.5" while at rest and at race weight. No part my hang down lower that 2.5" off the ground including exhaust.*

No part of the car may protrude more than 45" forward of the front spindle centerline.

SUSPENSION:* No wheelie bars.* All vehicles must retain the full factory frame rails. Notching for rear tire clearance is permitted.TIRES* All entries must use DOT drag radial drive tires with a maximum allowed size of 275/60/15.

POWER ADDERS* Single type power adder only.

NITROUS* No multiple stages permitted.Second kit wiring and feed lines must be fully disconnected and capped off.If a car is found with a second stage hooked up on the track property, the racer will be disqualified from the event with no entry refund.

* No progressive controllers or controlling nos flow electronically in any way.*

All nitrous solenoid grounds must be grounded to carb or throttle body stud. The solenoid power wire must terminate on the firewall by a stud or terminal strip.*

Only 1 nitrous bottle allowed in car at a time.*

All nitrous must pass through a jet with a round orifice.*

No "leaking" nitrous in any way in any location.* purge plume must be entirely outside of the engine bay and directed upward.*

Big Block Nitrous limited to a single spray bar plate with a maximum of a .070 jet.
Small Block Nitrous entries maximum jetting
1 jet - .082
2 jets - .057
4 jets - .035
8 jets - .028
FORCED INDUCTION* No billet wheels allowed* Max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size and no clipped wheels)* All turbos must utilize the original turbo manufacturers wheels for the turbo being used. No swapping to different manufacturers, 2nd party or custom wheels.* You may be required at any time to remove your turbo and/or your turbo cover to be checked.*
Maximum supercharger sizes D1, V-7 JT Trim, NOVI 2000, Kenny Bell 3.6*
Air to air intercooler OR water meth injection allowed.The two may be combined with a 50lb penalty.*
Air to water type intercooler allowed with a 100lb penalty. Even if water is emptied, penalty still applies. Any intercooler that uses water, ice, spray bars, dry ice or any other cooling medium is considered in this category.*
Boosted cars only allowed manual single setting boost controller. Must stage, launch and make pass with the same setting*
All manual boost controllers must be visible as to where we can trace the line all the way to the waste gate. No solenoids permitted.Example: Simple install on hose from boost reference to controller then one hose to wastegate/blow off.All hoses not easily visible will be rerouted before you can compete at the event.

EXHAUST* Mufflers required on all entries except turbo cars.* May exit anywhere on the vehicle and protrude as much as you want.

CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION* Big block nitrous maximum cubic inch limit 525ci and an OE passenger car block.* Big blocks limited to OEM stock valve angle.(example Chevrolet 26 degree)* Big blocks limited to a 4150 carburetor only.*

Maximum small block cubic inch limit 440ci* Cylinder heads limited to, 23 degree Chevrolet, 18 degree Mopar, 20 degree Ford, OEM Ford casting 4v Modular, any 2v Modular at base weight.*

15 degree LS add 50lbs.*
Ford TFS Twisted Wedge, TFS-R, permitted with a 50lb penalty.
No other non stock valve angle head permitted. Don't ask for any exceptions.No welding or epoxy permitted on these castings other than repair of damage on a few cylinders.Repaired heads must be inspected and approved by tech as to not change the design of the heads.*

Buick, Pontiac, Oldsmobile combos allowed with a max cubic inch of 440.BPO combos larger than 440ci and smaller than 525ci may run under big block rules.* No raised intake runner heads allowed on any combo, manufactured or modified.*

All cylinder heads must maintain the automobile OEM intake manifold bolt pattern.*

Sheet metal intake manifolds not permitted.*

Dry sump oil systems not permitted.

FUEL* Gasoline or E85 are the only fuels permitted.Methanol only allowed in a 50/50 mix with water and is considered an intercooler.
ELECTRONICS* Any ignition or EFI permitted.* No progressive nitrous controllers allowed.* No programmable boost controllers allowed.

BASE WEIGHTS*
4cyl - turbo, nitrous, or supercharged 2800*
6cyl - nitrous 2950* SB naturally aspirated - 2750*
SB nitrous - 8.2 deck or modular 3000*
SB nitrous - 3150*
SB & 6cyl turbo - 3200*
SB & 6cyl supercharged - 3100*
BB nitrous 3250
WEIGHT PENALTIES AND DEDUCTIONS*
Deduct 50lbs for SB nitrous or NA cars with a true 4150 carburetor only.
4150 based throttle body not eligible for weight break.*
Deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or superchargers listed in forced induction.* Deduct 50lbs non intercooled turbo (water meth injection is considered an intercooler)* Add 100lbs for air to water intercooler*
Add 50lbs for 15 degree LS.*
Add 50lbs for Ford TFS Twisted Wedge and TFS-R*
Add 50lbs if combining air to air intercooler with water methanol injection.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:50 PM   #178
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:53 PM   #179
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I say 100 lbs off like fox fodder posted and we see where we fall
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:14 PM   #180
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I say 100 lbs off like fox fodder posted and we see where we fall
You make the rules. Do what you think is fair and make it official whatever it's gonna be. Let's get ready to race.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:18 PM   #181
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I have $4500 in my 240s with the titanium valves and hand blending for the 2.125" intakes and exhaust port extensions. They are a good 30cfm short of his. I'd sell mine for $3500 never fired. I'd like to get the bigger ones.
You serious about this? Got someone I interested in my top end.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:27 PM   #182
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:45 PM   #183
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You serious about this? Got someone I interested in my top end.
Yep. They do have the chambers hand softened. Don't know how that effects a turbo motor. It isn't real drastic, a .020" mill would take it out.

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Old 11-14-2012, 08:51 PM   #184
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Chuck if dentfix doesn't take them i might get them for my supercharged engine i have in the works!! Are gear drives allowed
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:39 PM   #185
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:42 PM   #186
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Sorry i was meaning for RS the rules doesn't state if a gear drive is allowed or not
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:00 PM   #188
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:11 AM   #189
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:31 AM   #190
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Boy I bet this thread works great for helping get a sponsor for the class. Maybe Kleenex or vagasil would be interested.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:33 AM   #191
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Please, I bet there are at least 5 threads on yb of 75+ pages of bitching and complaining. It shows that the racers are passionate about the class. The biggest difference is john don't usually get in them and insult everyone's intelligence with an opinion different from his own.
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Please, I bet there are at least 5 threads on yb of 75+ pages of bitching and complaining. It shows that the racers are passionate about the class. The biggest difference is john don't usually get in them and insult everyone's intelligence with an opinion different from his own.
Really? I guess you have never read anything John says to your brother Maxrider. The other difference is John doesn't give in to what the screamers demand.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:22 AM   #198
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Anyone seen any threads about ptra or rpm bitching constantly about rules?
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Here are the 2013 Real Street Rules.

Now next up is I need to find a sponsor for this class

BODY & GLASS:* Must have working headlights, tail lights, stock appearing interior, carpet, door panels, factory style dash, stock floor pans, stock firewall.*

Lexan windows permitted. Must be neat in appearance.*

Hood height limited to maximum 8" tall measured from the tallest part of the hood to base of the windshield. Forward facing scoops permitted.*

Fiberglass body panels permitted as long as it's neat in appearance and doesn't change the basic vehicle dimensions.*

Must measure within 1" of factory wheelbase, body may not be moved from stock location* All vehicles must maintain a minimum ride height of at least 2.5" while at rest and at race weight. No part my hang down lower that 2.5" off the ground including exhaust.*

No part of the car may protrude more than 45" forward of the front spindle centerline.

SUSPENSION:* No wheelie bars.* All vehicles must retain the full factory frame rails. Notching for rear tire clearance is permitted.TIRES* All entries must use DOT drag radial drive tires with a maximum allowed size of 275/60/15.

POWER ADDERS* Single type power adder only.

NITROUS* No multiple stages permitted.Second kit wiring and feed lines must be fully disconnected and capped off.If a car is found with a second stage hooked up on the track property, the racer will be disqualified from the event with no entry refund.

* No progressive controllers or controlling nos flow electronically in any way.*

All nitrous solenoid grounds must be grounded to carb or throttle body stud. The solenoid power wire must terminate on the firewall by a stud or terminal strip.*

Only 1 nitrous bottle allowed in car at a time.*

All nitrous must pass through a jet with a round orifice.*

No "leaking" nitrous in any way in any location.* purge plume must be entirely outside of the engine bay and directed upward.*

Big Block Nitrous limited to a single spray bar plate with a maximum of a .070 jet.
Small Block Nitrous entries maximum jetting
1 jet - .082
2 jets - .057
4 jets - .035
8 jets - .028
FORCED INDUCTION* No billet wheels allowed* Max turbo size 76mm measured tip to tip. (no reducers allowed to achieve this size and no clipped wheels)* All turbos must utilize the original turbo manufacturers wheels for the turbo being used. No swapping to different manufacturers, 2nd party or custom wheels.* You may be required at any time to remove your turbo and/or your turbo cover to be checked.*
Maximum supercharger sizes D1, V-7 JT Trim, NOVI 2000, Kenny Bell 3.6*
Air to air intercooler OR water meth injection allowed.The two may be combined with a 50lb penalty.*
Air to water type intercooler allowed with a 100lb penalty. Even if water is emptied, penalty still applies. Any intercooler that uses water, ice, spray bars, dry ice or any other cooling medium is considered in this category.*
Boosted cars only allowed manual single setting boost controller. Must stage, launch and make pass with the same setting*
All manual boost controllers must be visible as to where we can trace the line all the way to the waste gate. No solenoids permitted.Example: Simple install on hose from boost reference to controller then one hose to wastegate/blow off.All hoses not easily visible will be rerouted before you can compete at the event.

EXHAUST* Mufflers required on all entries except turbo cars.* May exit anywhere on the vehicle and protrude as much as you want.

CYLINDER HEAD / ENGINE INDUCTION* Big block nitrous maximum cubic inch limit 525ci and an OE passenger car block.* Big blocks limited to OEM stock valve angle.(example Chevrolet 26 degree)* Big blocks limited to a 4150 carburetor only.*

Maximum small block cubic inch limit 440ci* Cylinder heads limited to, 23 degree Chevrolet, 18 degree Mopar, 20 degree Ford, OEM Ford casting 4v Modular, any 2v Modular at base weight.*

15 degree LS add 50lbs.*
Ford TFS Twisted Wedge, TFS-R, permitted with a 50lb penalty.
No other non stock valve angle head permitted. Don't ask for any exceptions.No welding or epoxy permitted on these castings other than repair of damage on a few cylinders.Repaired heads must be inspected and approved by tech as to not change the design of the heads.*

Buick, Pontiac, Oldsmobile combos allowed with a max cubic inch of 440.BPO combos larger than 440ci and smaller than 525ci may run under big block rules.* No raised intake runner heads allowed on any combo, manufactured or modified.*

All cylinder heads must maintain the automobile OEM intake manifold bolt pattern.*

Sheet metal intake manifolds not permitted.*

Dry sump oil systems not permitted.

FUEL* Gasoline or E85 are the only fuels permitted.Methanol only allowed in a 50/50 mix with water and is considered an intercooler.
ELECTRONICS* Any ignition or EFI permitted.* No progressive nitrous controllers allowed.* No programmable boost controllers allowed.

BASE WEIGHTS*
4cyl - turbo, nitrous, or supercharged 2800*
6cyl - nitrous 2950* SB naturally aspirated - 2750*
SB nitrous - 8.2 deck or modular 3000*
SB nitrous - 3150*
SB & 6cyl turbo - 3200*
SB & 6cyl supercharged - 3100*
BB nitrous 3250
WEIGHT PENALTIES AND DEDUCTIONS*
Deduct 50lbs for SB nitrous or NA cars with a true 4150 carburetor only.
4150 based throttle body not eligible for weight break.*
Deduct 50lbs for 70mm and smaller turbo or superchargers listed in forced induction.* Deduct 50lbs non intercooled turbo (water meth injection is considered an intercooler)* Add 100lbs for air to water intercooler*
Add 50lbs for 15 degree LS.*
Add 50lbs for Ford TFS Twisted Wedge and TFS-R*
Add 50lbs if combining air to air intercooler with water methanol injection.
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