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Most of them are under 3200lbs.
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a 2010 vette weights 3350 curb weight.
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maybe take away weight for s trim, p1sc and novi 1200
a 2.3 blower can make mid 600whp 70mm turbo should the same if limited to t series small frames s trim would struggle to make mid 600's p1 deft isn't going to make it, not sure on the novi 1200 but its basically a si trim? |
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A full weight convertible TVS 2.3 on a stock low compression Cobra has made 720+rwhp on E85 and runs consistent nines banging gears on the stock T56. I was able to squeeze 718rwhp through a TH400 out of my old gen FRPP 2.3 whipple with a lot of supporting work and E85. I'm still running the smallest of the single blade throttle bodies available. At my boost level I would probably pick up 20rwhp or more by going to a dragon or FR single blade. Many have proven coyote stangs run nines with good octane and spray. I've seen a 67mm Supra make 650 on 110 octane. I'm sure E85 would be similar.
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give the more weight more options for tires, or power adders 3800lbs larger blowers, slicks, twin turbo option how many cars actually weight that much? new Camaro, maybe the gt500's some of the dodge stuff 94-04 mustangs 3200-3400lbs 98-02 Camaro and firebirds 3400lbs? vettes 3200-3300lbs challengers chargers 3600lbs Camaro new model 3600-3800lbs? 05 up mustang 3400-3600lbs? how many newer models do you think will show compared to the older stuff? |
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and yes there is always someone that has run a number, but the question is, is that someone going to be running here at this race? and how many of them tvs 2.3 cars that are full weight and banging gears going 9's? last time I checked very few... if it was that easy then they would be everywhere |
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yeah but how many of them models listed do you see coming out and racing? I am sure less then 10% are gto's caddys, and dodges... even on a test and tune night, you see 90% mustangs and camaro |
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Is this class for late models only?
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The new stuff is still 3600-3800 lbs on the base weight on the new stuff. That doesn't include a driver so all the new stuff is at weight. Then add a supercharger, etc and you are over 4,000lbs. the base weight on the 05-09 stuff is 3500 lbs with a 5 speed so add a driver and you are over again on the base weight with our rules. The 03 cobra coupe base weight is 3660lbs.
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There are quite a few sub 7 second coyote cars with & without spray. my point stands. If op wants a 7 second class, e85 won't work. I agree though that the weight seems high.
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The weight isn't that high unless the car has been gutted.
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I think I am going to remove the e85 rule
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I disagree. My car with me weighs 3900...that was with racestars on back but street wheels up front. That's full weight with a Moser 9", speakers, and amps (no sub in at the time). I was ~350 at the time that was weighed. So imagine someone 150 pounds, maybe with a less optioned car, skinnies, maybe racing seats, etc. We're talking 3600 maybe. 3800 pounds is pretty high even for a street car IMO - your car doesn't have to be gutted for weight reduction. I think something like 3500 would make a lot more sense persoballu. |
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That's cool, it's your class - just giving my opinion. I think that limits it to only the latest cars honestly, because most of them are pigs. My car is on the real heavy side of 4th gens, and I wouldn't even fit the weight limits with all the add this add that with myself being 300 pounds. Just outs a lot of real true street cars just because of that weight from what I see.
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C5 Z06 and C6 Z06 are 3140lbs,standard Vettes are like 3400lbs...GTO's and Camaros are right at 3900 without a driver ..Challenger's are 4100 ...not sure about the newer Mustangs
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For a c5 corvette to weigh 3800lbs is going to take a 500+ lb driver. Is it not a street car? At this rate you wouldn't need any rules. Just say we want 3800lb and above cars that can drive cross country. I mean why even allow them to tow it back to the pits (per rules) , if its supposed to be a car that can drive across the country?
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It's really hard to make rules for this class because there are so many cobs out there. I want it to be geared toward late model stuff but the Vettes are light while everything else is heavy. At one point or another one combo or another will have to + or - weight. I think it is easier and more cost effective for others to add weight. Might would come down 100lbs or so. Without the E-85 I think the class will be kept In the mid 6 to 7 second range. May even delete water meth as it may exceed where we want to go with this class. Thanks for everyone's input. Again, because this isn't your standard race class it's gonna be a little tougher than normal to come up with a solid rule set at first. We may have to try it and make changes from there
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And the Bitching begins. Poor Blake.
BUTT.. A LS1 car has to be 3900 with stock catheral heads and an LS3, LSA, or ported cathedral has to be 4050. I can see CTSV's, 2010+ Camaros, some GTO's weighing that much, but plan to add weight of youre in a 4th gen. I have a stock suspension, full interior, turbo 4th gen at the shop with an iron block that comes in around 4000lbs with a 200lb driver. Lets see what happend. My Buick would fit the rules, if I had a 62mm. Let us guys @ RPM know if we can help. Jeff
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pro flo intake yes or no??
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275 Real Tank, 3500toolight=FAIL, I call this...fat ass class |
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